WilliWowza
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EDIT: Thank you everyone who has taken the time to read this, I didn't expect to have so many people comment but I assure you I have read what everyone has to say. There's some very interesting replies and it's encouraging to see so many people in agreement which makes me happy that I did write this out. Coffee for everyone.
I'm leaving the BBS.
This isn't something I thought I'd ever do, but it's the way things have gone. Newgrounds is undoubtedly my favourite website in the whole wide world (web) so obviously it'd only make sense that I'd want to be part of the community, the most obvious way being the BBS. Seeing the way it's run and seeing the people with power just use it to inflate their own egos and ruin the experience of anyone trying to enjoy themselves though completely spoils any chance of staying here.
I'll still be on NG. Depositing, watching flash, playing games, going to the matur-LISTENING TO AUDIO. What Tom and the staff has done with this site is absolutely amazing and they are straight up awesome guys. I don't think there's anyone else out there who's more dedicated to their site or their fans as Tom & Crew and that's what makes this site so great. The talent that comes to this site is amazing and it makes me proud to be part of the community when projects like Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers are proudly flying the NG banner.
Unfortunately they don't have reign over the BBS, that's left to other less capable people and as such it's become an experience I no longer wish to be a part of. I won't be posting anymore, save for maybe posting in C&C in clubs I have already joined.
Many of my friends have left already.
Some because of the shambolic and inconsistent way this place is run.
And some are just harassed by the people are meant to be setting an example.
AshfordPride was right, and there's a reason he's not here anymore.
'I'm sick of being banned. I've been here for 2+ years and have 15,000+ posts, I know how things are supposed to go down. Bans should be reserved for idiots who are blatantly breaking the rules on purpose. The folks who post the same shit over and over again or don't listen to other people telling them to stop.
God, whatever happened to locks? Why not just give me a warning? Tell me that you don't like what I'm doing. The mods are so damn subjective, I don't know who's going to ban me for what. Just tell me that this thread wasn't good, or that I shouldn't do something. I'm actually a pretty smart fellow.'
He's right. Yet constantly I see good users being banned and having their threads locked on the whim of a mod, yet any new user is allowed to go around making threads about what they did in school today. Half the time there's no reason given for the lock/ban/delete and since there's no consensus between the mods over what breaks the rules, we never know what's allowed and what isn't.
This isn't a recent problem and certainly isn't something I haven't brought up before. I've spoken with so many other users over this exact issue and they feel the same way, but nothing can be done about it. Any time I or someone else has voiced their concerns it's met with the usual backlash 'quit whining' 'leave if you don't like it' 'this forum would be shit without us'. I love NG and seeing as how it only has one forum I don't really have anywhere to leave to that has the same community, so why can't the moderation system on my favourite website actually work to a point where it's tolerable?
It's obvious how the moderation system works here. It's not about how well you post, or how useful you are (because if you so much as point out the rules then that's 'backseat modding' and you can bet that'll land you a ban). No, it's about the little clique of friends that talk to each other on AIM all the time and then nominate each other to be come mods. It's a circlejerk in all sense of the term and I don't think there's many that would dispute that. It's pretty clear when you consistently see the type of people who are modded and that whenever a mod steps down or gives up their modship, as soon as they make their return 6 months of so later they'll be given it right back again. So many of them are barely even active that it makes you wonder what they're doing there. They're not all bad people, I know that, but some of them are and they're all working in a bad system.
'What else do you expect when you give teenagers and adults with questionable intelligence and social skills some type of power on a place as inconsistent as the internet?' - TacticalShoe
There's no doubt I'm going to miss it. I've met so many great users through this site that it's hard to name them all:
Yeah well obviously I can't remember everyone. Even if I attempted to name some of them there'd be hundreds I was leaving off. Even users I've never spoken to but just have always thought were funny or liked the way they posted. Some I couldn't stand, some I even fancied (here's lookin' at you Krum).
So here's to the Camwhore Crew, here's to Join the Party, here's to Cock in the top left corner, here's to animated sigs, here's to cornelius, here's to Regarding, here's to MSPaint battles, here's to forever being level 9, here's to the Chat, here's to Kim Possible hentai, here's to Newgrounds.
If you still enjoy posting here, then that's great, I'm glad you can. If you agree with me, well you know what's the problem is. I'll still be on every day to deposit and watch flash movies, so feel free to drop me a PM if you want to chat.
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5/15/10
Fuck man, all my favorite people are leaving. I leave for 1 year, and this shit happens. I honestly don't know why I keep coming back.
3/2/10
Aw this post makes me sad. Doubt you remember me, but whenever I was first starting to post on the BBS, you made me an animated sig. It made me so happy, even though all that happened was I fell in a pile of poo. Oh well, it still made me happy, and I know I still have it around somewhere.
And I also agree with the comment on the mods. They seem to be a lot less strict on when they ban someone now. I'm pretty sure I've gotten more bans in the past half year than I have the few years before that combined. I mean annoying spam and being a complete douche should be banable of course, but "post combos" and hilarious topics about someone having sex with their uncle who was actually their sister should probably either just be told, "Hey, that's a no-no, sir" or even just ignore it if the thread is somewhat on topic and hilarious.
I kind of lost hope for the BBS after Rage's Gift thread was closed. :( But at least there are some good people still. Heck Tom's so nice, he gave me a name change!
Anyways, long rant from someone who you don't know. I'll be off to faggotry land now.
2/23/10
remember that time on stickam, you were talking and saying something funny, and i was there, and you probably didn't even notice I was there coz i wasn't saying anything?
good times.
1/30/10
Yeah but he left months before you read this, so that's like celebrating the victory of the Allies during WW2
12/30/09
Finally the faggot's leaving.
The man who makes a thread and gets 100 newfags posting OMG HI WILLI REMENBER ME?? I QOTED U YESTRdAYT REMENBMER???!?!?.
The man who makes a thread with simply a paint pic and gets it passed.
The man who takes pictures of himself and thinks someone gives a flying shit.
Finally, he leaves...
OH HOW LONG IVE WATED FOR THIS DAY!!!!
12/29/09
I totally agree man, the mods on this site are way to oppressive and shit, I mean a mod can post a spam topic thats useless, but a regular like you or me, INSTA-BAN! Thats profiling and that's just fucking wrong.
12/21/09
Damn bro we'll miss you and I completely agree new users can get away with fucking murder but a user +1 year cant make as much as a funny parody thread. I think its mainly Poozy he banned me because I made a photoshop thread that was fail. I wish we still had BBR
11/25/09
You'll just come back later. You silly wanker.
11/24/09
I totally love it when mods ban you, then break the same rule they banned you for.
11/22/09
Are you ever going to update this thing?
11/7/09
<3
Goodnight sweet prince
10/12/09
We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what Im thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how Im feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've know each other for so long
Your hearts been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me how Im feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Give you up. give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up
We've know each other for so long
Your hearts been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me how Im feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
9/22/09
tl dr
9/8/09
I can see your point, most of the times its the mods making all the bannable shit up and carrying on like they're 15, mind its not all of them though but the more active ones do just that. I hardly post now except for the video games forum so they can't get me there which is fine by me.
9/6/09
YEAH WILLZ I KNOW!
e-peeeenus is now at an average of fiftyseven..billion
9/6/09
EDIT
i return from slumber, thanks for the hype guys.
Yeah will, its a good job I love you.
EDIT: THANKS FOR THE EGO BOOST SUCKERS MY E-PEEN IS HUGE!!!
Haha, I ain't back, check my posts 8]
9/5/09
I got permabanned.
8/31/09
I see you lurking. :3
8/31/09
i predict youll return sometime around August 31st. 2009
8/28/09
I feel that in another time, and in another place, I could have called you... "friend".
8/22/09
I totally agree that the BBS is just utter bullshit. Over the last year or so, I've seen sence and realised what a shithole that place really is and I don't post nowhere near as much as I used to.
The majority of mods are just real dicks, mods like EyeLovePoozy and the fairly new mod 'Jamoke'. It's only about a week ago I was really bored and decided to take a gander at the General forums, only to find that Jamoke had locked about six threads consecutively and each of them held a pretty interesting conversation. It just seems to me that if a mod isn't interested in a thread, no matter how decent the thread is, it just gets locked.
But there are still some good mods lurking the BBS and banning the right users for the right reasons, like NEVR and another recent mod, '36Holla'. But Jamoke may just be getting used to being a mod and just going a bit crazy with his powers, hopefully when he gets the hang of it, he'll be a decent mod but for now, he's sucking 12 foot dick. (:3)
Another thing about the BBS, it's way too rough and all these new users who want to be part of community just don't get a chance because they get flamed right into next week not only by the users with experience of the BBS, but by the mods too. We've all been in that position at one point and I just think that the BBS should just shut the fuck up trying to act like they're the shit acting like total mindless dicks and just treat new users like they would treat a mod. Because even some of the newbies are more mature than the mods.
That's my view of the BBS anyway, day after day it's just enless threads about cock jokes and flaming new users who haven't even been given a chance. Of course, I'm pretty much focusing on the general forum.
Anyway, you've pretty much done the right thing leaving the BBS because there's way too much bullshit.
8/22/09
yeah im pretty much done too
8/16/09
Plus, that didn't last long did you, you British faggot?
That sentence is grammatically incorrect, thus making so sense. It would make sense if instead you put "Did it" or "You didn't last long", yet either way no one cares because he's Willi and you're some queer lol.
8/10/09
" Goodnight, Travel Well" is one of my favorite songs by them! :D
8/9/09
Is it really that big of a a deal. Juusst stay ; ) I mean, lol, its a web site for crieing out loud, your not leaving the country.
And if you really don't want to stay, you think its that bad, that this website is a "no no" than press Ctrl N. :P
Although I guess Ignorance is Bliss in my case ...I haven't been affected by Banning or anything.
HOLY SHMACKS!!! I just saw the name of your post ...would it by chance have anything to do with my favorite killers song!?!
I'm still on Newgrounds and love it, it's just that I won't be on the forum anymore which I've spent a very long time on.
Also yes it is a Killers reference, they're my favourite band.
7/23/09
WILL YOU MUST COME MEET-UP THEN.
BAD TIMES.
WE SHALL DRINK TO HAPPIER TIMEZ
7/22/09
I'll never forget watching your "This is on youtube" parody and laughing my ass off. That was the moment I started recognizing your name all over this place. Granted, I haven't been on the BBS much lately, but I always enjoyed your work Mr. Wowza. You'll be missed.
7/6/09
always more likely you'll come back if you make a big long speech about leaving
wait until it doesn't mean anything to you and then leave silently
I realise there have been many people who have made 'I'M LEAVING GUYS PAY ATTN' posts only to come back a few months later and that's something I really didn't want to do. I've been absent from the BBS before for months only to return and I've never made an ultimatum about never becoming because I always thought I would. The reason I wrote this is just so people can see why I don't like it there anymore, because I like NG and it'a a shame the forums don't reflect that.
7/4/09
Come back Will.
7/4/09
Join t3hparty.org
7/1/09
ONE HUNDRETH COMMENT.
I knew you were saving it for me.
6/29/09
GOODBYE, AND THANK FOR ALL THE FISH.
ALT. GOODBYE.
Goodbye everybody-Ive got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-
6/29/09
I agree. Look at Zerok's post about what his personal rules are and Poozy making a thread where you cant do the /thread anymore. They just make their own rules without actually having them be official. I see users posting threads about some 12 year old girl they like in their class every fucking day and nothing is done.
6/28/09
The BBs has taken a turn for the worst for a while.But you were one of the regulars who I was more familiar with, you were original and funny.The BBS will lack a lot without you and without many regulars who are leaving.
6/26/09
Heres to the prime years of the bbs. You and Ashfordpride were some of the funniest bastards, and it's complete bullshit what goes on with the mods. The good un's left, and now it's just a pile of crap ready to be towed away for more bandwith.
6/23/09
I fully sympathize with you, having been on the exact same road a zillion times.
I admire your courage; I too have felt trapped because of the dickholes that run this place yet I have no other place to legally post the Flash I like to make.
6/22/09
Fuck.
6/18/09
I totally agree, only trolls and spammers should get banned, but respectable users should just ageta warning their first offense
6/16/09
Goodbye, you sigs rocked when they could be animated.
6/16/09
i am in love with u but you will nevar kno who i am!
6/14/09
Well, you should become a mod and clean up the shithole called the bbs.
6/7/09
N- N- No more London meets? ;(
6/7/09
It's a shame to see you're no longer going to be posting on the forums Willi. Your name was one of the first I recognised when I joined up and I always thought of you as a decent poster, as well as a humerous one. Kudos.
6/6/09
omgfag
6/5/09
There must be some Overmind out there, I'm sure of it. What else would explain all these users leaving at the same time?
Well...it sucks that you're leaving, but then again, I see no reason why anyone should stay. This place has been getting really dull, but for some reason I come here everday. Sometime it's the only thing I do everytime I sit my ass in front of the computer. My guess is that I won't be leaving this place anytime soon, but letting my brain get sucked in by that Overmind sounds more appealing by the day.
Anyway, I've ran out of relatively-smart stuff to say, so goodbye Willi.
6/3/09
I think your post sums up most of my concerns with the BBS. Some people have effectively taken the fun out of it. I'm glad Wade is aware of these problems and will hopefully remedy to them.
6/3/09
wow you sure were loved...
6/1/09
*sniffle sniffle*
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
6/1/09
Looks like he's not really going to to respond.
@Wade, if you even get back to read here.
I agree that we can be happy with these volunteers, but you have to admit, it give a certain feel of power. And power (can) corrupt.
Also, I think the BBS is not the only place with moderations issues, judging by this newspost on my alternate account http://xorgate.newgrounds.com/news/po st/308551
We could use a bit more audio moderation too.
I hope that the staff can find some time to look into these things.
At the audio forum we get a new forum topic abotu every 3 days, asking how long approval takes.
Now excuse me for being very offtopic.
6/1/09
I doubt you'll be reading this, but it's worth a shot.
You shouldn't be so negative towards the BBS currently, it has it's ups and downs all the time and the most you can do is take a long needed break from it to cool your bolts at the moment. It happens to me all the time (I'm currently going through a brief relapse at the moment) - yeah sure the Moderators aren't all perfect, but that's life. Why should a volunteer to a job be perfect? They shouldn't.
When you don't like something, you don't like it. Just take a break, watch the mod team change around a bit and see if they change their ways. If you don't like it and leave it months and months and months, you will eventually part ways from the website without realizing it and that's a common ultimatum for a lot of users. It's sad to see it, but more and more users will come and replace them as "regs".
Don't beat about the bush about it though, I think it's great you're still using the site for other things most people just get downright butthurt and try to leave altogether so I respect you as a friend for that.
Just listen to what the "good" Moderators are telling you in your News Post because they're the ones who are actually listening to the users and want to act towards the feedback. They are the ones in my eyes that deserve their positions (not saying that those who don't post won't deserve it, I can name many who still do), but you know what I mean.
Aside from all that, you was decent. I'll still see you around of course and hope to see you back at the BBS soon! Hopefully when I'm active again!