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I'm Leaving - Goodnight, Travel Well

Posted by WilliWowza May. 29, 2009 @ 8:12 PM EDT

EDIT: Thank you everyone who has taken the time to read this, I didn't expect to have so many people comment but I assure you I have read what everyone has to say. There's some very interesting replies and it's encouraging to see so many people in agreement which makes me happy that I did write this out. Coffee for everyone.

I'm leaving the BBS.

This isn't something I thought I'd ever do, but it's the way things have gone. Newgrounds is undoubtedly my favourite website in the whole wide world (web) so obviously it'd only make sense that I'd want to be part of the community, the most obvious way being the BBS. Seeing the way it's run and seeing the people with power just use it to inflate their own egos and ruin the experience of anyone trying to enjoy themselves though completely spoils any chance of staying here.

I'll still be on NG. Depositing, watching flash, playing games, going to the matur-LISTENING TO AUDIO. What Tom and the staff has done with this site is absolutely amazing and they are straight up awesome guys. I don't think there's anyone else out there who's more dedicated to their site or their fans as Tom & Crew and that's what makes this site so great. The talent that comes to this site is amazing and it makes me proud to be part of the community when projects like Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers are proudly flying the NG banner.

Unfortunately they don't have reign over the BBS, that's left to other less capable people and as such it's become an experience I no longer wish to be a part of. I won't be posting anymore, save for maybe posting in C&C in clubs I have already joined.

Many of my friends have left already.

Some because of the shambolic and inconsistent way this place is run.

Some have been 'perma-banned', something the mods don't exactly have the power to do, but they'll do it anyway.

And some are just harassed by the people are meant to be setting an example.


AshfordPride
was right, and there's a reason he's not here anymore.

'I'm sick of being banned. I've been here for 2+ years and have 15,000+ posts, I know how things are supposed to go down. Bans should be reserved for idiots who are blatantly breaking the rules on purpose. The folks who post the same shit over and over again or don't listen to other people telling them to stop.

God, whatever happened to locks? Why not just give me a warning? Tell me that you don't like what I'm doing. The mods are so damn subjective, I don't know who's going to ban me for what. Just tell me that this thread wasn't good, or that I shouldn't do something. I'm actually a pretty smart fellow.'

He's right. Yet constantly I see good users being banned and having their threads locked on the whim of a mod, yet any new user is allowed to go around making threads about what they did in school today. Half the time there's no reason given for the lock/ban/delete and since there's no consensus between the mods over what breaks the rules, we never know what's allowed and what isn't.

This isn't a recent problem and certainly isn't something I haven't brought up before. I've spoken with so many other users over this exact issue and they feel the same way, but nothing can be done about it. Any time I or someone else has voiced their concerns it's met with the usual backlash 'quit whining' 'leave if you don't like it' 'this forum would be shit without us'. I love NG and seeing as how it only has one forum I don't really have anywhere to leave to that has the same community, so why can't the moderation system on my favourite website actually work to a point where it's tolerable?

It's obvious how the moderation system works here. It's not about how well you post, or how useful you are (because if you so much as point out the rules then that's 'backseat modding' and you can bet that'll land you a ban). No, it's about the little clique of friends that talk to each other on AIM all the time and then nominate each other to be come mods. It's a circlejerk in all sense of the term and I don't think there's many that would dispute that. It's pretty clear when you consistently see the type of people who are modded and that whenever a mod steps down or gives up their modship, as soon as they make their return 6 months of so later they'll be given it right back again. So many of them are barely even active that it makes you wonder what they're doing there. They're not all bad people, I know that, but some of them are and they're all working in a bad system.

'What else do you expect when you give teenagers and adults with questionable intelligence and social skills some type of power on a place as inconsistent as the internet?' - TacticalShoe

There's no doubt I'm going to miss it. I've met so many great users through this site that it's hard to name them all:


YOUR NAME HERE

Yeah well obviously I can't remember everyone. Even if I attempted to name some of them there'd be hundreds I was leaving off. Even users I've never spoken to but just have always thought were funny or liked the way they posted. Some I couldn't stand, some I even fancied (here's lookin' at you Krum).

So here's to the Camwhore Crew, here's to Join the Party, here's to Cock in the top left corner, here's to animated sigs, here's to cornelius, here's to Regarding, here's to MSPaint battles, here's to forever being level 9, here's to the Chat, here's to Kim Possible hentai, here's to Newgrounds.

If you still enjoy posting here, then that's great, I'm glad you can. If you agree with me, well you know what's the problem is. I'll still be on every day to deposit and watch flash movies, so feel free to drop me a PM if you want to chat.

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May. 29, 2009 | 8:18 PM jirayah11 says:

Well we'll miss you and yes the mods and NG have been a bit corrupt or odd lately.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:22 PM Maximus says:

:(

I'll miss you.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:24 PM Brass says:

Were...

Were you touched by a mod?

Just... show us where he touched you on this doll.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:26 PM Mendou says:

Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you


May. 29, 2009 | 8:30 PM Rig says:

Well, have fun out there.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:35 PM MadiiMonsterr says:

:( What will it be without my BFFE...


May. 29, 2009 | 8:38 PM 95jas says:

We will greatly miss u!!

till we meet,

95jas


May. 29, 2009 | 8:43 PM super-sense says:

I'm newish to the BBS and it is pretty shitty. I hate the way mods will lock anything they deem to be 'pointless' even if many other users are enjoying it ('MS paint your school pet peeves' for example).

You just gotta remember that (alot of) these mods are overgrown children who are addicted to this site. They make massive elaborate posts about how they're gonna 'leave the BBS becuase university/work is far more important' then crawl back two weeks later because they realise they're lives revolve around it.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:47 PM Aryk says:

D'Awww. You're one of the coolest kids on here. :(

Good decision on leaving the BBS though.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:47 PM EARIO says:

the moderation system kinda reminds me of the matrix:

"every program must have a purpose, if it does not it will be deleted"


May. 29, 2009 | 8:51 PM SniperWolf1564 says:

The sad part of this is that none of the mods are going to care.

Tom needs to take over the forums and reorganize the moderators.

And I thought the situation would improve when BBR was demodded.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:52 PM Twilight says:

NA NA NA NA
NA NA NA NAAAA
HEY HEY HEY
GTFO!


May. 29, 2009 | 8:52 PM Gagsy says:

If you think you won't be missed you'll be sorely wrong. And I swear to fucking god Will you are my favourite poster on the whole BBS. I'll be saddened not to stalk your posts anymore.

One more nail in the coffin? We'll see.

<3


May. 29, 2009 | 8:53 PM thedo12 says:

yeah the problem is half the time I get banned for shit that when I posted it I didn't even think twice about getting banned.

and then ive posted stuff I was sure id get banned for and nothing happend. The mod's and their rules are way too inconsistent.


May. 29, 2009 | 8:54 PM linkinparkpie43 says:

we'll miss you why not stay on the VG fourm? there really is no mods


May. 29, 2009 | 8:55 PM cast says:

<3.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:30 PM WilliWowza responds:

DING DONG


May. 29, 2009 | 9:10 PM b-rod says:

If it's any consolation, I always enjoyed your posts.

Good luck and good night.


May. 29, 2009 | 9:11 PM Luis says:

i agree with you. I kind of feel that some of the moderation lost its way, we're supposed to grow the userbase not shrink it. Being banned for pointing out a rule/helping the site is STUPID.

I do agree with you that older users do know how to behave and they maybe need to be reminded, not necessarily instantly banned. I think sometimes the mods forget that the site is a business, the users are our clientbase, we serve them. Moderating should facilitate that process, not increase resentment.

So I am disappointed in posts like these cause you work so hard to build community and theres forces that only cause the effort to go two steps backward.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:31 PM WilliWowza responds:

The moderation has certainly seemed to become less about keeping the forums enjoyable for the users and more about trying to turn them into something their not by certain moderators.


May. 29, 2009 | 9:58 PM BatDan says:

Sheesh. I'm inactive for a bit and the whole site goes into an even further circle of Hell.
You will seriously be missed Willi.
Lately the rules seemed to be based around a monarchy of sorts where you just look at someone funny you'll be executed.
I remember years ago you could assist someone on the forums and no one would bat an eye. The only instances of backseat modding were people saying "You will get banned/This thread will get locked" but now if you just point them to a thread it's an instant ban.
Not to mention TehSlapHappy can get away with so much bullshit because he's butt buddies with Poozy, but now I'm just getting personal.
I don't even know why I'm still here myself. Anyway, good luck in the future.


May. 29, 2009 | 10:07 PM TheMexicanMuffinMan says:

Oh hell, I realized all that by 200 posts.


May. 29, 2009 | 10:32 PM Goonie says:

Time will tell. Your right, the bbs has fallen out of control lately.

Also, after reading luis's thoughts I do enjoy luis's thoughts and expression that "sometimes the mods forget that the site is a business, the users are our clientbase, we serve them. Moderating should facilitate that process, not increase resentment."


May. 29, 2009 | 10:36 PM AlkaSeltzer says:

BUT WHY?


May. 29, 2009 | 10:37 PM gamerpeepinpa says:

Yeah, I really don't know how much longer I'll be on here myself, add to that the fact that most people I come across who I have actually liked are leaving left and right.

I really don't talk too many people on here anyway, and sometimes I question myself why I still stick around. I feel like it's become routine, something completely unnecessary that I don't have to do, but do anyway. Even when half the threads are shit, I still compulsively post, because I've always been doing it and I feel obligated to continue. It's pathetic.

But seeing all these wonderful people leave is just making my future here on the BBS look bleaker. I've already started posting in other, more enjoyable forums, so I really don't know how much longer I'll be on here.

Anyway, have fun, wherever your little internet travels take you. You'll only leave the BBS in a shittier state :\


May. 29, 2009 | 10:50 PM SevenSeize says:

You made some good points.

Wish you'd stay.


May. 29, 2009 | 10:50 PM Jimtopia says:

Goodnight, sweet prince; and a flight of angels sing thee to thy rest.


May. 29, 2009 | 10:51 PM 36Holla says:

I'm still holding you to that XBL date we planned.


May. 29, 2009 | 11:12 PM Flee says:

The BBS sucks and always has for as long as I've been here at least.


May. 29, 2009 | 11:32 PM ZekeySpaceyLizard says:

i feel little pops of happiness in my heart each time someone else realizes what a corrupt bloated hunk of stupid shit the bbs is.

in b4 durr huurrr u r a blowtad hunk o stoopit shit, zeckey

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:47 PM WilliWowza responds:

wtf sum1 said u make gd flash bt i watchd 1 n it was jst sum gay sqaures doin gay shit it fuckin suxx balz BLAM


May. 29, 2009 | 11:38 PM JonBro says:

According to what I've heard from various banned members about the mods, they sound annoyingly strict. I don't go to the BBS very much, but when I do, I don't run into the problems everyone else seems to be having.

dur durrr ur a hilarious lump of lizard, zeckey


May. 29, 2009 | 11:40 PM ZekeySpaceyLizard says:

>:U

also the mods are only strict on people that have been here a while. hence why the bbs is a fuckin zoo.


May. 30, 2009 | 12:33 AM gamerpeepinpa says:

Tbh, I've had no problems with the mods.

Then again, I barely make threads anyway, so the mods barely notice me.


May. 30, 2009 | 1:18 AM Celtic-Tiger says:

Shame. Another person gone. To be honest, I only really see this site as a way to advance my flash skills, find a sponser, make some money, and then move on.

Sometimes I wonder if there could be a more, "professional," alternative to Newgrounds. Where the target audience isn't a bunch of Nintendo fans who play dating sims all the time. Selected staff would have the power to instantly delete any submission they see fit, to keep the kruft out. (Obviously, they would have to be highly trusted.)

Anyways, you're right, moderators on this website are VERY inclusive. It's like some club full of immature adults, with administrative power. Thankfully, their reach is, "only," limited to the BBS.

So yeah. Just use this site as a way to improve your flash skills, and move on as soon as possible. That's all Newgrounds is good for anymore.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:51 PM WilliWowza responds:

Whilst there's certainly a huge number of the 'dumb kids' on NG, there's also the unheard group of brilliant animators and those that enjoy watching them. Remember when flash like 'Link's Quest For Ass' was in the Top 50? Then Bitey of Brackenwood came along and suddenly there was a torrent of well made awesome flash.

The BBS is a different matter though, it is a very inclusive club because a lot of them have been there since the moderation system began and they're the ones that choose the next mods. It's obvious where a cycle like that will go.


May. 30, 2009 | 1:19 AM crapatflash says:

Although I've never known you, I think that what you're doing is a little over the top. Yes, there are a lot of morons on the BBS, but you just need to ignore them, in the knowledge that they will be hated by everyone for the rest of their NG lives... also, if we didn't have any moderators, doubtless there would be 100x more idiots perusing the forums. You shouldn't be so negative about all this.


May. 30, 2009 | 1:55 AM Proottalfain says:

It's almost 2 AM so reading this troubles me. So many regulars, seeming to agree. I haven't been on the BBS much before the second half of 2008, so I can't really judge it.


May. 30, 2009 | 2:13 AM SoulMaster71 says:

The BBS seems to be modded in a "progressive" manner, in that the more respect you get and the more posts you have, the more you get banned. While this is a system that for a while has worked for taxation (whether it still does in an age of rising deficits is open for discussion), it just doesn't work for enforcement. Who's committing robbery, aggravated assault, rape, murder? Mainly the lower classes. So punishing upper-class and middle-class members of society for minor crimes while letting the poor go free for them isn't going to reduce the crime rate, because the cops and the courts would be targeting the groups doing the least.

It's the same on the BBS: the mods are targeting longer-time, more respected members (equivalent to the upper and middle classes) for minor crimes (LordZeebmork, a user about as middle-class for the BBS as I am, got permabanned for trolling when he was just stating an opinion that he had that was unpopular with the mods) while letting major crimes of stupidity, incompetence, retardation, inability to spell or use anything resembling proper grammar, and flaming and trolling far greater than anything LordZeebmork ever tried, slide when committed by new members. If the little kids don't know now, they need to be taught, either by general ridicule or by bans.

But the mods obviously don't think that way; they reason that you, or AshfordPride, or Zen444, and so on, "should know better" than to commit minor flaming against a 12-year-old describing how his 12-year-old girlfriend of 1 week dumped him, while that same 12-year-old is let off for all sorts of bullshit. Stupid, huh? That's like letting a poor man off for rape and sending a fairly wealthy doctor to jail for jaywalking, just because the doctor should "know better" while the lower-class individual doesn't. It's a stupid way to go about things, and I'd like to see one of the mods (BBM and Poozy are often targeted as mods who act that way) try to defend it with something other than an appeal to their own authority.

So wherever you go, whatever you do, have fun. You don't need to worry about the BBS anymore: something tells me you won't really want to see it if you ever do decide to go back there.


May. 30, 2009 | 6:04 AM amador10 says:

There's nothing I can say
There's nothing I can do now
Goodnight, Travel Well

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:57 PM WilliWowza responds:

The unknown distance to the great beyond.


May. 30, 2009 | 6:49 AM ginge15192 says:

you are gay


May. 30, 2009 | 8:09 AM Viridis says:

I completely agree with you Will, and I agree with Gagsy when I say that I'm gonna fucking miss your posts. A lot of the time I'll go into a thread simply because you were the last person to post in it; wither because I'll get an intriguing answer or something that will make me laugh my balls off.

The BBS is utter shit, the cunts who post shit get to roam free while good users who try to make the occasional joke in GOOD TASTE get stick for it. It's like walking around on eggshells afraid of waking one of the Mods. And I agree with Luis when he says that the Mods are supposed to serve the people; however they don't.

There are a few Mods that I really really like, ones like BlueHippo, NEVR, Renaenae, BlackMarketKraig, Jonas and even Zerok. However it's the Mods who are most active that I see as fucking corrupt. Like BBM, EyeLovePoozy. Poozy has self declared himself as ruler of the general forum. If Poozy doesn't like it; It's gotta go. Which is fucking disgraceful. Tim really needs to take a good look at the BBS and sort it the fuck out. Before more great users like you leave.

Bye Will. I'll still be following your Twitter like a hawk though. ;P


May. 30, 2009 | 9:19 AM squidly says:

Another good user leaves us, am I a reason?


May. 30, 2009 | 9:50 AM mo4form says:

The fucking faggy mods are worse than the trolls and the fucking spammers. Fuck it if it's not spam, I will ban according to my lack of entertainment. That's right, follow my e-cock's rules. This is probably why everyone from the NG crew had me banned from their page .. XD


May. 30, 2009 | 9:56 AM mo4form says:

You do know that both of Tom and the mods DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK AT ALL!
right?


May. 30, 2009 | 10:12 AM Lagamuffin says:

PlzDntLeave... :'c


May. 30, 2009 | 10:20 AM TheSilverGuitar says:

Oh shit.

I didn't even know you very well, but I always found you funny.


May. 30, 2009 | 11:23 AM Megaaussie says:

How do you 'leave' a place on the internet it's not like you're moving away from the internet or something there's no fees to pay if you dont turn up so whats the point of 'leaving' why are you telling everyone you're stupid what is this I don't even

Jun. 1, 2009 | 4:59 PM WilliWowza responds:

Being angry and using may mays only works on 4chan kiddo.


May. 30, 2009 | 11:46 AM homor says:

its official.

all the cool people have left.

seriously, fuck the lot of ya', i'm so sick of seeing you people go on long "i'm going away forever" speechs and WALKING OFF IN THE SUNSET TO SAD MUSIC. SO NOW I RUUUUUUUNNNNNN TO YOOOOOUUUUU WITH OOOOOOPEN ARMS!!!!!!

when the first guy did it, it was sad. but you know what? i'm sick of feeling sorry, i'm sick of sympathy and i'm sick of the actually smart funny people leaving.

you're a smart, funny guy. but you know what? if you're going to just BAWWWW and leave than thats fine with me, i can live with that.

fuck the lot of ya', seriously.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:02 PM WilliWowza responds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3 GiYr95JlU&feature=related


May. 30, 2009 | 11:48 AM RobotTaco says:

I will miss you. You were an inspiration to me. I was a big fan of your posts. Farewell.


May. 30, 2009 | 11:56 AM TheRadicalOne says:

I'll miss ya man, although we barely talk in the first place.


May. 30, 2009 | 12:59 PM Starogre says:

well zekey beat me to it but congrats on figuring out what the internet is


May. 30, 2009 | 1:15 PM Lucy says:

Im gonna take you out tonight, im gonna make you feel alright

<3

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:03 PM WilliWowza responds:

I got a blanket on the backseat on my mind


May. 30, 2009 | 2:50 PM RKthrilla says:

I'm gonna miss you...

:((((((((


May. 30, 2009 | 6:18 PM Roland7749 says:

Plz read this. Im unsure if I have PM'ed you or not but im planing an attack on June 7th where were going to PM all the staff we can into changing the mod system and take down and perma-ban all evil mods. IS ANYONE IN!? IF YOU ARE HELP RECRUIT MORE PLZ!


May. 30, 2009 | 6:32 PM WeHaveFreshCookies says:

I'll miss you. I always thought you should've been a mod. You're a way better user than Poozy. If I ever by some miracle become mod, I'll fix shit and make you come back for your well-deserved piss coloured aura.


May. 30, 2009 | 6:47 PM Scarab says:

Ah, this is no good.

I don't know know if you're planning on reading all of these comments sometime, but I'll just add my little bit here too, seeing as I do have one or two things to say, I erm, think.

As you've mentioned, and as some users here have repeated, I don't by any means think all the mods are at fault for what many say has been happening to the BBS, but there are some things here and there that even I would like clearing up. This is bareing in mind that I seem to post on the BBS less and less at the moment, poking my head out to offer Newgrounds-related advice, or at least try to contribute something of some some sort. I just snoop around because I've not really got anything better to do when I'm tired, or conscious, hmm. Hey, I guess the love the place too, if I admit it.

I remember a thread we were posting in the other day on this very issue, and I think that pointed a lot of the things at hand out well enough. I like to think that things barely change in an environment like the BBS, but this sort of disillusionment among older, more long-time members does speak volumes, I'll say it now.

I don't want to name names as to who I personally point at in regards to BBS problems, since I think that could get pretty childish on my part. I think some of the things I would have to say are pretty obvious anyway, going off other peoples testimony rather than my own at times. Still, they are people I've known for years, and I think I can trust most of them. Without an intent of being malicious, take a look up at BatDan's comment for one little thing. Luis' comment is interesting too, though it's definitely not the first time I've seen him post something along those lines.

I'm too tired to go further, and I think I've been serious enough already (if I admit it, fewer people seem to laugh at me). It's just a shame you're leaving really. Here's to the Paltalk days, eh? Oh, and stay on MSN and all that.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:06 PM WilliWowza responds:

I'll always be on MSN, ALWAYS.

And yeah, I know it's not all mods of course, but even if there's just a few then that's still too many ruining it for the rest of them.


May. 30, 2009 | 6:59 PM JadeTheAssassin says:

Come back soon, y'hear?


May. 30, 2009 | 7:13 PM doberman7 says:

I always thought the mods were a bunch of n****rs anyway


May. 30, 2009 | 7:24 PM Minion777 says:

This story. This story you've put forth upon for the collective to read.
This story here, I've seen too many times from too many whose faces and names I can't seem to forget but have too hard a time of remembering.

I can't keep losing all these pieces of what it was like to have a good time in this particular corner of the net but it seems as soon this Truth, which you have so kindly placed before us in a rather descriptive and compelling manner, is brought to light and left to simmer in your mind as you watch the same shit play itself over and over again, the idea of taking part in the joy that used to fill your time is all but erased and forgotten.

But for a while, you continue, putting up with this charade for the time being. But life continues as well, and suddenly going online to be greeted by the same group of faggots and dipshits, faceless as they may be, suck each other off in an orgy os stupidity, showering every good intentioned user beneath them with their played out antics, doesn't seem so compelling.

Which is why I can't be all too surprised when I see another familiar face check out and hang their face up on the wall.

But I can't help but notice that the faces on my wall are starting to grow.
These sands are far too dry to keep picking up vagabonds to pass the time.
I can't stand to bare the thought of being surrounded by all these faces for much longer.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:08 PM WilliWowza responds:

Oh Minion, you and your pie!


May. 30, 2009 | 7:36 PM Psycho-Pickle says:

I know how you Ashford Pride and Zen feel.
I don't ever get banned, but then again I don't have nearly as many post as you guys. But still, theres things on the forum that make me wanna just give up on this site all together.
But hey, at least we still have msn, rite?


May. 30, 2009 | 8:55 PM BananaBreadMuffin says:

It's a shame you're leaving, Video Games isn't going to be the same without you :(

I can't speak for the injustice you see in the mod team, I just see it as non-homogeneity between all the different mods. No, we're not perfect, but then I never pretended we were (although I do accept it often seems like we think this).

But anyway :(

See you in the real world

<3


May. 30, 2009 | 9:20 PM Burnzoid says:

Here's to the good times buddy. <3

Everything in that post made sense. Everything on NG bar the BBS runs smoothly, while the forums have gone to complete and utter shit due to some "mods" abusing control left, right and centre. I understand I may not have helped this issue, hell, I'm not a good poster I'll admit. But still, I see the BBS as a place of fun, not a dictatorship/circlejerk party like it has become.

I shan't be leaving, only to continue the good fight. There will be many more deleted threads, and many more bans coming my way, I can assure you. I'm not liked by the majority of the mod community, and that's fine by me. I have never really broken any of the official "BBS rules", just the new rules that the mods have created. If something has been said that they disagree on or dislike, you can say goodbye to your view and hello to a lengthy ban, contributive topic or not.

So yes, I'll miss you dude. Still chat on MSN and whatnot of course. Maybe we should both buy an account on Something Awful, I hear their forum is pretty standard.

Oh, and guess what? Since you've made this post, my 'perma-ban' has miraculously disappeared. Funny that, isn't it?

Speak soon gay face, much man love.

xxx

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:11 PM WilliWowza responds:

That is pretty funny.

See you at Reading.


May. 30, 2009 | 9:33 PM poxpower says:

Dear user, it has been brought to our attention that you may be homogaysexual which might have been caused by too much faggitroll in your system.

Long-term effect of homogaysexuality include:

- Pink clothing
- Small dog ownership
- Elton Johnithis
- Bandanas
- Purchasing more than one hair care product
- Attracting savage anal penetration


May. 30, 2009 | 9:40 PM Rucklo says:

i always liked you around the BBS, sad to see you be dissapointed and bummed due to your opinion of the BBS.

i definitley dont agree with you on what you say regarding many things though, first of all you have no idea who becomes mod for what reason, you have no idea who gets banned for what reason - frankly it's very common that users who gets banned exaggerate ALOT, and im not just talking about the one day ban that turned into a "five day ban" in the chatroom, but the fact that pretty much everyone feel that theyve been banned way more times than they actually have. its common that people think that theyve been banned say 25 times, when it's 15 in the reality, and most bans wiht a clear and professional reason given (the other bans for posting in a spamthread, which in itself is a decent reason of course).

the whole feeling of not getting "taken seriously" when complaining about something - so many users start the discussion being abusive assholes, and perhaps it should be routine to just ignore those users - actually thats something id like ot see in the rules, "pm a mod with a valid reason and an explanatory situation" or something similiar. you have no idea how much mods deal with. many times users actually appologice for starting out being assholes, but there are so many who dont. now the circle-jerking - its not strange that people mods know gets modded, i mean, why mod somone completley unknown?

i could go on discussing this with you, but it'll lead nowhere - especially since you've shut yourself from the BBS.

so yeah, good luck and all that, i hope you pop by the BBS now and then anyways.


May. 30, 2009 | 10:31 PM Twilight says:

I didn't mean that.


May. 30, 2009 | 11:31 PM WadeFulp says:

Maybe we should stop paying the mods. Oh wait.

Everyone needs to keep in mind Newgrounds.com is #1 a Flash website. Then there's the audio portal, the up coming art portal, etc. We run the site with a skeleton crew of paid staff who work on maintaining the site and building new features. Should they all stop and focus all their energy on the forums that hardly any of our visitors use? Sadly we can't afford to do that.

So we give the forums as much attention as we can manage and rely on our team of VOLUNTEER moderators to keep an eye on things. Overall they do a pretty good job, but they aren't perfect and sometimes we may have mods that are less perfect than others.

I may try to look into your concerns and see if any adjustments are needed in the way the mods are modding the forums. It has been awhile since we made any new forum mods and many of the current mods maybe inactive. From time to time we have to clean our those who aren't active anymore and look for replacements.

I'll share some facts with you that may help you understand what we and the mods are up against. I'm not sure how many of our mods are active and how much time each of them can spend watching the forums, but you all probably have a rough idea.

From this past Monday: 3,080 BBS visitors today (posting 6,421 posts).

Let's say we had FIFTY active mods that day, which isn't the case. They would have to each view 128 individual posts to see everything that was posted. In reality we probably had 10-20 mods that were active that day. With 20 mods (and I think it's safe to say we don't have 20 active mods that are putting in a lot of time on the forums in a single day) they would have to review 321 posts each.

There is no way the mods can catch and deal with everything. To try and maintain some kind of order they have to be pretty harsh and try to set examples for the mass of forum users to follow. There is so much to deal with they can't always get it right.

What we really need is a way for users to flag problem posts, topics, etc, and then the mods can focus on a list of flagged content and determine what to do. However our staff doesn't have the time right now to take on programming a system like that, as far as I know.

I will take your concerns into consideration and talk to the mods about it. I'm sure some would agree with you, while others would disagree. Our mod team is more diverse than you may think.


May. 31, 2009 | 2:14 AM malachi117 says:

I'll miss you.

Much man-love.

~Malachi


May. 31, 2009 | 2:38 AM Sensationalism says:

I agree with a lot of the sentiments here and I will miss seeing your posts. <3


May. 31, 2009 | 5:09 AM SardonicSamurai says:

Don't go!

I don't want to have to miss you :(


May. 31, 2009 | 7:38 AM TheD-LucksEdition says:

It's a sad shame how much I agree with you. General is a place I tread very rarely nowadays, and it's totally down to the reasons outlined here.
So if you totally are gone for good, I'll miss youa great deal. You've been one of the best posters on the site ever since I arrived here nearly 3 years ago, and probably the main person that kept me coming back to General. I'll just remember your MSPaint shenanigans and smile.

Goodnight, William, and Travel Well indeed.
<3


May. 31, 2009 | 8:10 AM idle says:

Haha, another user who think he knows how the moderation team operates. Fact of the matter is that, unless you are a moderator YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS. You just have a cry when you get banned and think life is full of injustices. I guarantee you, if I was to go look at the ban list right now, the amount of regular users on there would be a HUGE MINORITY. Logic dictates that when an unknown spammer is banned, nobody notices, but when a reg is put in the corner, everyone does.

In any case, it doesn't really matter. I do agree with a couple of the points you mentioned about issues with the moderation team, but unfortunately thats what happens when a site grows. We can't always be perfect, and as the workload increases, mistakes are sometimes made.

So good luck with everything, and I'm sure you will be back. It's a shame that you are leaving though, because I think as a user you have improved dramatically over the past year or so. Unfortunately, after reading your news post, I can see that you haven't lost the "high and mighty" though.

Jaded regs leaving are a dime a dozen. It is the natural order of things. I don't find it at all surprising that people outgrow the BBS. I just wish that would admit that as the reason for leaving instead of having a go at the moderators who put out large swathes of time to try and make the BBS a better place.


May. 31, 2009 | 9:28 AM Sawke says:

Heres to the fun days from years 2005-2009. RIP BBS REGS!


May. 31, 2009 | 10:03 AM Sawdust says:

In about a year or a few months I'd c&p this for my goodbye post


May. 31, 2009 | 11:48 AM 1nt4rw3b5 says:

Good luck, brah. There were fun times now and then on XBL/paltalk/stickam. I'll drop you a PM some time or other.


May. 31, 2009 | 1:06 PM BareNakedMike says:

I'm gonna miss you Willy :(


May. 31, 2009 | 1:51 PM Imacow says:

"So here's to the Camwhore Crew, here's to Join the Party, here's to Cock in the top left corner, here's to animated sigs, here's to cornelius, here's to Regarding, here's to MSPaint battles, here's to forever being level 9, here's to the Chat, here's to Kim Possible hentai, here's to Newgrounds."

Sad to see you go Willi. Thanks for all the laughs over the years.


May. 31, 2009 | 2:32 PM Lost-Wisdom says:

I'm starting to be like this as well, I hardly post anymore. I usually only post in the weekends. Weekdays I'm barely on.

Does this foreshadow something that will lead to something...?


May. 31, 2009 | 3:16 PM RandomExploit says:

Wryyyy..


May. 31, 2009 | 5:36 PM supersticky13 says:

WE SHALL KICK THEIR BUTTS


Jun. 1, 2009 | 12:42 AM TacticalShoe says:

Farewell, Mr. Wowza.

The times were good while they lasted.


Jun. 1, 2009 | 1:24 AM Araelyn says:

I concur wholeheartedly.
Even though I've only actually used the BBS a few times, I've had this account for 3 years and I know what happens.
One of my topics was locked for no good reason.
I had to pm whoever locked it because there wasn't a good explanation and I couldn't even figure out what I did wrong.
Glad to see you're making a stand though!


Jun. 1, 2009 | 1:37 AM SeeInTheDark says:

Motherfuck, I hate everything. Attempt to be less lonely by spending time on the BBS= big fat fail. Everyday I hear about someone great leaving. Now you too. I thought I could go to the BBS to see people I was familiar with who were smart and creative but things aren't going that way. Maybe this is really perpetual.

Jun. 1, 2009 | 5:15 PM WilliWowza responds:

Well what makes it easier to leave is that I have so many of the great people I've met through NG on MSN or Facebook or something similar. Try PMing some of the users you like or look up to, it sometimes better to have a one on one chat than just throw a post out their in the forum.


Jun. 1, 2009 | 2:24 PM simon says:

I doubt you'll be reading this, but it's worth a shot.

You shouldn't be so negative towards the BBS currently, it has it's ups and downs all the time and the most you can do is take a long needed break from it to cool your bolts at the moment. It happens to me all the time (I'm currently going through a brief relapse at the moment) - yeah sure the Moderators aren't all perfect, but that's life. Why should a volunteer to a job be perfect? They shouldn't.

When you don't like something, you don't like it. Just take a break, watch the mod team change around a bit and see if they change their ways. If you don't like it and leave it months and months and months, you will eventually part ways from the website without realizing it and that's a common ultimatum for a lot of users. It's sad to see it, but more and more users will come and replace them as "regs".

Don't beat about the bush about it though, I think it's great you're still using the site for other things most people just get downright butthurt and try to leave altogether so I respect you as a friend for that.

Just listen to what the "good" Moderators are telling you in your News Post because they're the ones who are actually listening to the users and want to act towards the feedback. They are the ones in my eyes that deserve their positions (not saying that those who don't post won't deserve it, I can name many who still do), but you know what I mean.

Aside from all that, you was decent. I'll still see you around of course and hope to see you back at the BBS soon! Hopefully when I'm active again!


Jun. 1, 2009 | 2:32 PM Mich says:

Looks like he's not really going to to respond.

@Wade, if you even get back to read here.
I agree that we can be happy with these volunteers, but you have to admit, it give a certain feel of power. And power (can) corrupt.

Also, I think the BBS is not the only place with moderations issues, judging by this newspost on my alternate account http://xorgate.newgrounds.com/news/po st/308551
We could use a bit more audio moderation too.

I hope that the staff can find some time to look into these things.
At the audio forum we get a new forum topic abotu every 3 days, asking how long approval takes.

Now excuse me for being very offtopic.


Jun. 1, 2009 | 9:51 PM Laughingbox says:

*sniffle sniffle*

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


Jun. 3, 2009 | 8:20 AM AlkaSeltzer says:

wow you sure were loved...


Jun. 3, 2009 | 2:46 PM SpiffyMasta says:

I think your post sums up most of my concerns with the BBS. Some people have effectively taken the fun out of it. I'm glad Wade is aware of these problems and will hopefully remedy to them.


Jun. 5, 2009 | 4:06 AM MercatorMap says:

Problem is, is that most of your friends that left the BBS are shite nobodies.

Jun. 5, 2009 | 1:23 PM WilliWowza responds:

Hm, actually they're all much cooler people than you who have been around longer.


Jun. 5, 2009 | 9:46 PM EnconXV says:

There must be some Overmind out there, I'm sure of it. What else would explain all these users leaving at the same time?

Well...it sucks that you're leaving, but then again, I see no reason why anyone should stay. This place has been getting really dull, but for some reason I come here everday. Sometime it's the only thing I do everytime I sit my ass in front of the computer. My guess is that I won't be leaving this place anytime soon, but letting my brain get sucked in by that Overmind sounds more appealing by the day.

Anyway, I've ran out of relatively-smart stuff to say, so goodbye Willi.


Jun. 6, 2009 | 5:07 AM Jemry says:

omgfag


Jun. 7, 2009 | 9:53 AM LOLZILLA says:

It's a shame to see you're no longer going to be posting on the forums Willi. Your name was one of the first I recognised when I joined up and I always thought of you as a decent poster, as well as a humerous one. Kudos.


Jun. 7, 2009 | 2:26 PM Scuzzfest says:

N- N- No more London meets? ;(


Jun. 14, 2009 | 7:22 PM wafflecake12 says:

Well, you should become a mod and clean up the shithole called the bbs.


Jun. 16, 2009 | 12:38 AM WeHaveStaleCookies says:

i am in love with u but you will nevar kno who i am!


Jun. 16, 2009 | 9:39 PM Blob1994 says:

Goodbye, you sigs rocked when they could be animated.


Jun. 18, 2009 | 8:35 PM JKMonkey says:

I totally agree, only trolls and spammers should get banned, but respectable users should just ageta warning their first offense


Jun. 22, 2009 | 9:04 PM aquaticmole says:

Fuck.


Jun. 23, 2009 | 5:39 AM HibiscusKazeneko says:

I fully sympathize with you, having been on the exact same road a zillion times.
I admire your courage; I too have felt trapped because of the dickholes that run this place yet I have no other place to legally post the Flash I like to make.


Jun. 26, 2009 | 10:42 PM ripoffhitman says:

Heres to the prime years of the bbs. You and Ashfordpride were some of the funniest bastards, and it's complete bullshit what goes on with the mods. The good un's left, and now it's just a pile of crap ready to be towed away for more bandwith.


Jun. 28, 2009 | 1:41 PM SouthAsian says:

The BBs has taken a turn for the worst for a while.But you were one of the regulars who I was more familiar with, you were original and funny.The BBS will lack a lot without you and without many regulars who are leaving.


Jun. 29, 2009 | 12:47 PM AwesomeX says:

I agree. Look at Zerok's post about what his personal rules are and Poozy making a thread where you cant do the /thread anymore. They just make their own rules without actually having them be official. I see users posting threads about some 12 year old girl they like in their class every fucking day and nothing is done.


Jun. 29, 2009 | 12:54 PM AwesomeX says:

GOODBYE, AND THANK FOR ALL THE FISH.

ALT. GOODBYE.

Goodbye everybody-Ive got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-


Jul. 1, 2009 | 4:42 PM MadiiMonsterr says:

ONE HUNDRETH COMMENT.
I knew you were saving it for me.


Jul. 4, 2009 | 3:56 AM RyanTime2 says:

Join t3hparty.org


Jul. 4, 2009 | 9:52 AM Viridis says:

Come back Will.


Jul. 6, 2009 | 6:23 AM Earfetish says:

always more likely you'll come back if you make a big long speech about leaving

wait until it doesn't mean anything to you and then leave silently

Jul. 6, 2009 | 8:12 AM WilliWowza responds:

I realise there have been many people who have made 'I'M LEAVING GUYS PAY ATTN' posts only to come back a few months later and that's something I really didn't want to do. I've been absent from the BBS before for months only to return and I've never made an ultimatum about never becoming because I always thought I would. The reason I wrote this is just so people can see why I don't like it there anymore, because I like NG and it'a a shame the forums don't reflect that.


Jul. 22, 2009 | 9:43 AM ChilliDog says:

I'll never forget watching your "This is on youtube" parody and laughing my ass off. That was the moment I started recognizing your name all over this place. Granted, I haven't been on the BBS much lately, but I always enjoyed your work Mr. Wowza. You'll be missed.


Jul. 23, 2009 | 6:44 AM jtm17 says:

WILL YOU MUST COME MEET-UP THEN.

BAD TIMES.

WE SHALL DRINK TO HAPPIER TIMEZ


Aug. 7, 2009 | 5:38 PM The-Evil-Daed says:

How come you still lurk the BBS after leaving?

Aug. 7, 2009 | 7:20 PM WilliWowza responds:

Checking the London Meetup Thread.


Aug. 9, 2009 | 6:39 PM beastkid7 says:

Is it really that big of a a deal. Juusst stay ; ) I mean, lol, its a web site for crieing out loud, your not leaving the country.

And if you really don't want to stay, you think its that bad, that this website is a "no no" than press Ctrl N. :P

Although I guess Ignorance is Bliss in my case ...I haven't been affected by Banning or anything.

HOLY SHMACKS!!! I just saw the name of your post ...would it by chance have anything to do with my favorite killers song!?!

Aug. 9, 2009 | 10:02 PM WilliWowza responds:

I'm still on Newgrounds and love it, it's just that I won't be on the forum anymore which I've spent a very long time on.

Also yes it is a Killers reference, they're my favourite band.


Aug. 10, 2009 | 1:12 PM beastkid7 says:

" Goodnight, Travel Well" is one of my favorite songs by them! :D


Aug. 12, 2009 | 11:49 PM The-Evil-Daed says:

WWAAAHHHHHH.

Plus, that didn't last long did you, you British faggot?


Aug. 16, 2009 | 7:21 PM Twilight says:

Plus, that didn't last long did you, you British faggot?

That sentence is grammatically incorrect, thus making so sense. It would make sense if instead you put "Did it" or "You didn't last long", yet either way no one cares because he's Willi and you're some queer lol.


Aug. 22, 2009 | 2:21 AM Leidolfr says:

yeah im pretty much done too


Aug. 22, 2009 | 1:41 PM Kaytee says:

I totally agree that the BBS is just utter bullshit. Over the last year or so, I've seen sence and realised what a shithole that place really is and I don't post nowhere near as much as I used to.

The majority of mods are just real dicks, mods like EyeLovePoozy and the fairly new mod 'Jamoke'. It's only about a week ago I was really bored and decided to take a gander at the General forums, only to find that Jamoke had locked about six threads consecutively and each of them held a pretty interesting conversation. It just seems to me that if a mod isn't interested in a thread, no matter how decent the thread is, it just gets locked.

But there are still some good mods lurking the BBS and banning the right users for the right reasons, like NEVR and another recent mod, '36Holla'. But Jamoke may just be getting used to being a mod and just going a bit crazy with his powers, hopefully when he gets the hang of it, he'll be a decent mod but for now, he's sucking 12 foot dick. (:3)

Another thing about the BBS, it's way too rough and all these new users who want to be part of community just don't get a chance because they get flamed right into next week not only by the users with experience of the BBS, but by the mods too. We've all been in that position at one point and I just think that the BBS should just shut the fuck up trying to act like they're the shit acting like total mindless dicks and just treat new users like they would treat a mod. Because even some of the newbies are more mature than the mods.

That's my view of the BBS anyway, day after day it's just enless threads about cock jokes and flaming new users who haven't even been given a chance. Of course, I'm pretty much focusing on the general forum.

Anyway, you've pretty much done the right thing leaving the BBS because there's way too much bullshit.


Aug. 24, 2009 | 10:55 PM MudkipsPiano says:

Agreed with AshfordPride's statement and yours, of course. Goodbye, my fellow man.


Aug. 28, 2009 | 2:02 PM VespeneGas says:

I feel that in another time, and in another place, I could have called you... "friend".


Aug. 31, 2009 | 5:50 PM Luis says:

i predict youll return sometime around August 31st. 2009


Aug. 31, 2009 | 11:28 PM Prinzy2 says:

I see you lurking. :3


Sep. 5, 2009 | 10:43 PM Maximus says:

I got permabanned.


Sep. 6, 2009 | 7:16 PM Lucy says:

EDIT
i return from slumber, thanks for the hype guys.

Yeah will, its a good job I love you.

Sep. 6, 2009 | 7:20 PM WilliWowza responds:

EDIT: THANKS FOR THE EGO BOOST SUCKERS MY E-PEEN IS HUGE!!!

Haha, I ain't back, check my posts 8]


Sep. 6, 2009 | 7:23 PM Lucy says:

YEAH WILLZ I KNOW!

e-peeeenus is now at an average of fiftyseven..billion


Sep. 8, 2009 | 9:38 PM Aci6 says:

I can see your point, most of the times its the mods making all the bannable shit up and carrying on like they're 15, mind its not all of them though but the more active ones do just that. I hardly post now except for the video games forum so they can't get me there which is fine by me.


Sep. 22, 2009 | 9:09 PM Aggzza says:

tl dr


Oct. 12, 2009 | 6:34 AM Qwazal says:

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what Im thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how Im feeling
Gotta make you understand
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
We've know each other for so long
Your hearts been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me how Im feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Give you up. give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up
Never gonna give
Never gonna give, give you up
We've know each other for so long
Your hearts been aching
But you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me how Im feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you


Nov. 7, 2009 | 1:03 PM NeonFlame126 says:

<3

Goodnight sweet prince


Nov. 22, 2009 | 11:42 AM DumbassDude says:

Are you ever going to update this thing?


Nov. 24, 2009 | 12:13 AM Zombie-Toaster says:

I totally love it when mods ban you, then break the same rule they banned you for.


Nov. 25, 2009 | 12:35 PM Metalix says:

You'll just come back later. You silly wanker.

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