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WilliWowza
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I'm Leaving - Goodnight, Travel Well

Posted by WilliWowza - May 29th, 2009


EDIT: Thank you everyone who has taken the time to read this, I didn't expect to have so many people comment but I assure you I have read what everyone has to say. There's some very interesting replies and it's encouraging to see so many people in agreement which makes me happy that I did write this out. Coffee for everyone.

I'm leaving the BBS.

This isn't something I thought I'd ever do, but it's the way things have gone. Newgrounds is undoubtedly my favourite website in the whole wide world (web) so obviously it'd only make sense that I'd want to be part of the community, the most obvious way being the BBS. Seeing the way it's run and seeing the people with power just use it to inflate their own egos and ruin the experience of anyone trying to enjoy themselves though completely spoils any chance of staying here.

I'll still be on NG. Depositing, watching flash, playing games, going to the matur-LISTENING TO AUDIO. What Tom and the staff has done with this site is absolutely amazing and they are straight up awesome guys. I don't think there's anyone else out there who's more dedicated to their site or their fans as Tom & Crew and that's what makes this site so great. The talent that comes to this site is amazing and it makes me proud to be part of the community when projects like Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers are proudly flying the NG banner.

Unfortunately they don't have reign over the BBS, that's left to other less capable people and as such it's become an experience I no longer wish to be a part of. I won't be posting anymore, save for maybe posting in C&C in clubs I have already joined.

Many of my friends have left already.

Some because of the shambolic and inconsistent way this place is run.

Some have been 'perma-banned', something the mods don't exactly have the power to do, but they'll do it anyway.

And some are just harassed by the people are meant to be setting an example.


AshfordPride
was right, and there's a reason he's not here anymore.

'I'm sick of being banned. I've been here for 2+ years and have 15,000+ posts, I know how things are supposed to go down. Bans should be reserved for idiots who are blatantly breaking the rules on purpose. The folks who post the same shit over and over again or don't listen to other people telling them to stop.

God, whatever happened to locks? Why not just give me a warning? Tell me that you don't like what I'm doing. The mods are so damn subjective, I don't know who's going to ban me for what. Just tell me that this thread wasn't good, or that I shouldn't do something. I'm actually a pretty smart fellow.'

He's right. Yet constantly I see good users being banned and having their threads locked on the whim of a mod, yet any new user is allowed to go around making threads about what they did in school today. Half the time there's no reason given for the lock/ban/delete and since there's no consensus between the mods over what breaks the rules, we never know what's allowed and what isn't.

This isn't a recent problem and certainly isn't something I haven't brought up before. I've spoken with so many other users over this exact issue and they feel the same way, but nothing can be done about it. Any time I or someone else has voiced their concerns it's met with the usual backlash 'quit whining' 'leave if you don't like it' 'this forum would be shit without us'. I love NG and seeing as how it only has one forum I don't really have anywhere to leave to that has the same community, so why can't the moderation system on my favourite website actually work to a point where it's tolerable?

It's obvious how the moderation system works here. It's not about how well you post, or how useful you are (because if you so much as point out the rules then that's 'backseat modding' and you can bet that'll land you a ban). No, it's about the little clique of friends that talk to each other on AIM all the time and then nominate each other to be come mods. It's a circlejerk in all sense of the term and I don't think there's many that would dispute that. It's pretty clear when you consistently see the type of people who are modded and that whenever a mod steps down or gives up their modship, as soon as they make their return 6 months of so later they'll be given it right back again. So many of them are barely even active that it makes you wonder what they're doing there. They're not all bad people, I know that, but some of them are and they're all working in a bad system.

'What else do you expect when you give teenagers and adults with questionable intelligence and social skills some type of power on a place as inconsistent as the internet?' - TacticalShoe

There's no doubt I'm going to miss it. I've met so many great users through this site that it's hard to name them all:


YOUR NAME HERE

Yeah well obviously I can't remember everyone. Even if I attempted to name some of them there'd be hundreds I was leaving off. Even users I've never spoken to but just have always thought were funny or liked the way they posted. Some I couldn't stand, some I even fancied (here's lookin' at you Krum).

So here's to the Camwhore Crew, here's to Join the Party, here's to Cock in the top left corner, here's to animated sigs, here's to cornelius, here's to Regarding, here's to MSPaint battles, here's to forever being level 9, here's to the Chat, here's to Kim Possible hentai, here's to Newgrounds.

If you still enjoy posting here, then that's great, I'm glad you can. If you agree with me, well you know what's the problem is. I'll still be on every day to deposit and watch flash movies, so feel free to drop me a PM if you want to chat.


Comments

:(

I'll miss you.

Were...

Were you touched by a mod?

Just... show us where he touched you on this doll.

Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you

Well, have fun out there.

We will greatly miss u!!

till we meet,

95jas

D'Awww. You're one of the coolest kids on here. :(

Good decision on leaving the BBS though.

the moderation system kinda reminds me of the matrix:

"every program must have a purpose, if it does not it will be deleted"

The sad part of this is that none of the mods are going to care.

Tom needs to take over the forums and reorganize the moderators.

And I thought the situation would improve when BBR was demodded.

If you think you won't be missed you'll be sorely wrong. And I swear to fucking god Will you are my favourite poster on the whole BBS. I'll be saddened not to stalk your posts anymore.

One more nail in the coffin? We'll see.

<3

yeah the problem is half the time I get banned for shit that when I posted it I didn't even think twice about getting banned.

and then ive posted stuff I was sure id get banned for and nothing happend. The mod's and their rules are way too inconsistent.

<3.

DING DONG

If it's any consolation, I always enjoyed your posts.

Good luck and good night.

i agree with you. I kind of feel that some of the moderation lost its way, we're supposed to grow the userbase not shrink it. Being banned for pointing out a rule/helping the site is STUPID.

I do agree with you that older users do know how to behave and they maybe need to be reminded, not necessarily instantly banned. I think sometimes the mods forget that the site is a business, the users are our clientbase, we serve them. Moderating should facilitate that process, not increase resentment.

So I am disappointed in posts like these cause you work so hard to build community and theres forces that only cause the effort to go two steps backward.

The moderation has certainly seemed to become less about keeping the forums enjoyable for the users and more about trying to turn them into something their not by certain moderators.

Sheesh. I'm inactive for a bit and the whole site goes into an even further circle of Hell.
You will seriously be missed Willi.
Lately the rules seemed to be based around a monarchy of sorts where you just look at someone funny you'll be executed.
I remember years ago you could assist someone on the forums and no one would bat an eye. The only instances of backseat modding were people saying "You will get banned/This thread will get locked" but now if you just point them to a thread it's an instant ban.
Not to mention TehSlapHappy can get away with so much bullshit because he's butt buddies with Poozy, but now I'm just getting personal.
I don't even know why I'm still here myself. Anyway, good luck in the future.

Oh hell, I realized all that by 200 posts.

Time will tell. Your right, the bbs has fallen out of control lately.

Also, after reading luis's thoughts I do enjoy luis's thoughts and expression that "sometimes the mods forget that the site is a business, the users are our clientbase, we serve them. Moderating should facilitate that process, not increase resentment."

Yeah, I really don't know how much longer I'll be on here myself, add to that the fact that most people I come across who I have actually liked are leaving left and right.

I really don't talk too many people on here anyway, and sometimes I question myself why I still stick around. I feel like it's become routine, something completely unnecessary that I don't have to do, but do anyway. Even when half the threads are shit, I still compulsively post, because I've always been doing it and I feel obligated to continue. It's pathetic.

But seeing all these wonderful people leave is just making my future here on the BBS look bleaker. I've already started posting in other, more enjoyable forums, so I really don't know how much longer I'll be on here.

Anyway, have fun, wherever your little internet travels take you. You'll only leave the BBS in a shittier state :\

You made some good points.

Wish you'd stay.

Goodnight, sweet prince; and a flight of angels sing thee to thy rest.

I'm still holding you to that XBL date we planned.

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